Researchers please help! Life-threatening tardive problems here!

One night, about four years ago, I had a very scary symptom start.  As I was falling asleep with my girlfriend in Queens, out of nowhere my tongue started contracting strongly. I had to bite my tongue to not choke on it. It was like a scene out of a horror movie, but it was real! The only thing I could think to do was to take a cogentin. I took 1mg of cogentin, and luckily the tongue contractions stopped, and I was able to go to sleep peacefully. Since then, I have run into a lot of confusion from my doctors about what exactly is going on with my crazy tounge contractions between wakefulness and sleep. They only happen then. My current doctors do not seem to be able to offer any meaningful help beyond benadryl. I have been taking navane, an older antipsychotic for more than 25 years now. It’s what works best for my schizophrenia. Tardive Dyskinesia and tardive dystonias generally present differently than how my case presents. However, I am 100% certain that this is a strange tardive symptom. Why? I was able to stop the tongue contractions for about a year using only a high dose of vitamin E. Also, BCAAs and theanine seem to help. Vitamin E, BCAAs, and theanine all purportedly help tardive symptoms. Also, I was able to control the tardive symptoms wtih 4g of serine per day, but I had to stop that treatment because I could not sleep well. I got the idea for the serine intervention from a clinical trial where they are using 4g of serine to control tardive dyskinesia. This, to me , is further proof that my crazy tongue contractions must be tardive in nature. Currently, my contracting tongue symptoms are in check with Vitamin E, BCAAS, theanine, and 50mg of benadryl per day. However, my problem is getting worse as 1 mg of cogentin no longer helps. Indeed 3mg of cogentin no longer helps. Benadryl by itself is not sufficient to stop my tongue contractions. I need answers and options. My current situation is getting worse. I do not want, one day soon, to try to sleep, and ending up choking on my tongue. The only long term fix I was able to find was an implanted deep brain stimulation device. Although I do not want a brain surgery, at this point, I might try it if an expert wrote to me that I should try it, so I could show it to my neurologist. I do not really want to start Ingezza or other VAT-2 inhibitor, because it is $70,000 per year and there is a 20% risk in less than a year of having a serious side-effect. Or, maybe there is something else I could do naturally? I hope somebody, probably a neurobiologist or a tardive dystonia expert could take 5 minutes to advise me what to do, as I do not want to die young. Thank you for taking the time to read this! God bless! If you have schizophrenia and you are taking ANY antipsychotic, I advise you to at least take a vitamin E supplement long term to help avoid a problem like mine or other tardive symptom. You still may develop a tardive problem, but for this, vitamin E is  neuroprotective.

See Author William Jiang, MLS quoted in the
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William Jiang, MLS is currently the Author of 63 books, including the bestselling books Guide to Natural Mental Health , 3rd ed and his critically-acclaimed autobiography A Schizophrenic Will: A Story of Madness, A Story of Hope. You can see a selection of his books about mental and physical health nicely laid out on his blog at http://www.mentalhealthbooks.net

Guide to Natural Mental Health, 3rd Edition- Discounted from $35 to $14.99 per copy to reach more readers!

To take a chance to reach more readers, the price of the Guide to Natural Mental Health, 3rd edition whose full title is Guide to Natural Mental Health: Anxiety, Bipolar, Depression, Schizophrenia, and Digital Addiction: Nutrition, and Complementary Therapies, 3rd Edition (November 15, 2014) has been dropped from $35.00 to only $14.99 per copy. The price was changed yesterday, I just checked and at 5am Sunday the 18th of February, it still says $35 per copy in print. I guess it takes a while for a behemoth like Amazon to change prices.

Honestly, the book sold really well at $35.00 each- reaching #1 spots on Amazon in its category multiple times and it stayed constantly in the “top 100 books” about schizophrenia on the Kindle. That was something to be proud of as a mental health author. I definitely covered my cost of getting the book out there at $35 per copy. But my main point is always to reach people with positive stories of hope and healing! I hope to cover costs of marketing well at the lower price point and get the idea out there that it matters a great deal how you treat your body and brain for optimal mental health! Wish me luck my friends! Better yet, pick up a copy and see what all the talk is about, and learn evidence-based strategies to take care of your mental health like a pro, naturally!

Salud! To your health!

William Jiang, MLS

 

William Jiang’s Book Review and Commentary on Art Levine’s “Mental Health, Inc.”- 5 Stars!

I read Mr Levine’s book for my own personal book club in about a week while doing cardio in the gym, as I am wont to do with good books. Otherwise, at the gym,  I am keeping abreast of the latest neuroscience journals and other periodicals. First, here is my personal five-star review of the book, I hurriedly put in with my Samsung after reading it.

Mental Health Inc: How Corruption, Lax Oversight and Failed Reforms Endanger Our Most Vulnerable Citizens★★★★★   from Kindle Customer on February 14, 2018
 
Important reading to understand today’s mental health topology
 
While I do not agree with everything that mister Art Levine’s book posits, about 95% of the book for me is spot-on. From the politics to the public health issues to the medication. This book should be required reading for all students in public health programs.

Art Levine’s book Mental Health Inc. for me, deserved more time and attention than your standard mental health text. Why? He goes into the political, economic, social, and environmental forces that are skewing mental health care for most Americans, and he gave me food for thought. The picture he shows all too clearly is that America’s mental health care system is a mess. Mr Levine clearly shows, using stark statistics and the money trail, that not only is our current national leadership eviscerating the medical care for all, they are especially destroying the human right of mental health care for those who most need it. As if that was not enough, the politics of money is fomenting bribes, kickbacks, and more unethical behavior that should not happen. I do not want to go into detail about the Big Pharma political abuses, which Mr Levine chronicles in exhaustive and shocking detail, but it is a very necessary and hopefully instructive text to enable those in power to change the system, should they so choose.

Nursing homes should be safe places of respite for our seniors- they deserve no less. They are not. I was shocked beyond words to see the abuses of power and medicine that Mr. Levine plainly laid out in case reports and overall statistics. There is widespread abuse of the elderly in nursing homes and respite centers. Our seniors deserve compassionate, appropriate, and ethical care. The system as it stands in the USA  is an abomination, and it makes me physically ill when I think about it.

Mental health in terms of the kids with mental health issues, especially those in foster care and also the care of the military veterans and active service members is another strong point in this book. Our kids and our vets deserve much, much better. Kids and vets are being routinely over-drugged, and many are dying from their drug cocktails. For me, the saddest and most apt point Mr. Levine makes in these sections is that even though mental health for veterans and active service military is woefully underfunded and understaffed and more- THEY GET BETTER MENTAL HEALTH CARE THAN THE AVERAGE CIVILIAN, a sobering FACT.

My Personal Reflections on “Mental Health, Inc.”

I could not help to make tie-ins with Mental Health, Inc’s points to my own life- surviving for more than twenty-five years while taking many antipsychotics. While some atypical antipsychotics are quite good at controlling anger, namely, Clozaril, Zyprexa, and Risperdal, others are not as good. Zyprexa and Risperdal basically block, or are antagonists, at the D2 dopamine receptors and serotonin receptors. They are not partial agonists. Clozaril is a partial agonist at the D2 receptor, but because of a compensatory mechanism with the NMDA receptor, it has both the greatest efficacy against psychosis and anger of any available antipsychotic. Truly, Clozaril is one of a kind. If not for the deadly possibility of Clozaril causing deadly  low white blood cell count, I am sure it would be the mainstay of schizophrenia pharmacotherapy around the world. European psychiatrists use Clozaril more than American psychiatrists, and their patients, accordingly,  on average live longer and more productive lives. Seroquel,  Geodon, and Abilify  do not have the same compensatory effect on NMDA, and in my opinion, therein lies the danger of these three partial agonists to cause extreme medication-induced rage

Seroquel

It struck me that Mr. Levine seemed to talk a lot about Seroquel and rage in his first chapter. I survived Seroquel, as detailed  in my autobiography A Schizophrenic Will: A Story of Madness, A Story of Hope. I wrote an article titled Is Seroquel Safe? About the sometimes causal relationship between Seroquel and anger, indeed sometimes extreme homicidal anger and rage,  years ago, and I am now re-posting it because when my  WordPress went down, so did the article.

Abilify

Many years later, after working really well for many years Abilify eventually made me homicidal and suicidal. I had so much rage on Abilify, eventually my body was shaking for two days straight and I had to use all my will not to explode and kill anyone in the process of letting out the rage. I put myself into the hospital.  I went into more depth in my little library science way, and in an article for Psychcentral.org titled Angry? It might be Abilify.  I wrote the following:  “The ehealthme.com database shows the following drug- percentage chance of causing anger: Abilify – 0.77% ; Geodon – 0.93%;  and Seroquel -1%. All of these drugs either modulate dopamine or serotonin. When 1 out of 100 people will notice anger or rage issues, that’s a common side effect, but is is nowhere in the prescribing information for these drugs in the Physician’s Desk Reference. Also, it turns out that the raw number of people who have anger from Abilify on ehealthme.com is higher than Accutane: the famous drug that made the kids go crazy violent in Bowling for Columbine.” This is all public knowledge but, not one of these three drugs has “Anger” or “Rage” as a possible side effect listed anywhere in the prescribing information. I feel this hampers otherwise good doctors from doing their jobs, as anger can also be a side-effect of PTSD or psychosis. So, when rage appears the doctors are not alerted that the side effect of anger, indeed, could be due to the atypical antipsychotic they are prescribing, unwittingly putting lives are risk.- even at the low 2 milligram dose I was taking, even after many years with no problems on the drug.

The “Jiang Effect” Partial Dopamine and Partial Serotonin Agonists  Can Cause Rage

Let me explain the neurobiology of extreme anger and its connection to serotonin and dopamine. When one increases serotonin in a teenager or possibly another person with an SSRI it is well recognized that anger or suicidality may result. Seroquel and Geodon are partial serotonin agonists- they can raise serotonin when it gets low. Also, dopamine is another neurotransmitter involved in anger formation or suppression. Quoting verbatim, the medical researcher Yao Xue Xue Bao. in an article from 1992 titled  [Amphetamine–induced rage reaction in mice and its mechanism]. “…Therefore, it may be deduced that the APT-induced rage reaction results from increased release of dopamine in the limbic system “ There are quite a few other articles indexed by MEDLINE that include much of the same information, but not so many are as unequivocally clear that dopamine can cause rage. How does this apply to Abilify? Abilify works with a “Goldilocks” mechanism. When dopamine goes too high, it is blocked, but if it goes too low, it is raised in a mechanism called partial dopamine agonism. So, Abilify can raise dopamine, therefore, increasing dopamine can cause rage: as well-evidenced by a few people who do cocaine as well.  Hence, partial dopamine agonism explains why Abilify can cause extreme rage. Partial serotonin agonism explains why  Geodon, and Seroquel can cause extreme rage.

For most of the people, most of the time, these drugs work as intended without the side-effect of rage. However, sometimes not.

Final Thoughts

Popular partial agonists like Abilify, Seroquel, and Geodon are used for treating schizophrenia, PTSD, bipolar disorder, depression, and other psychiatric issues. If you are taking a newer atypical antipsychotic for one of these these issues there is a good chance it is a partial agonist of dopamine or serotonin, possibly to “augment” your antidepressant. Literally, millions of people in the United States alone take these three medications. 1% of just one million people is 10,000 people.  To put this in a statistical perspective, when we realize that according to CBS News 1 in 6 Americans take some kind of psychiatric drug and there are about 300 million people in the USA, that means 50 million people are taking psychiatric medicines and Seroquel, Geodon, and Abilify are some of the most popular psychiatric drugs.  If only half of one percent of 50 million people is affected by anger that is a staggering 250,000 people who may be put in danger of excessive and dangerous rage. 

If it were in my power to magically wave my hand and force this knowledge into the textbooks of young resident doctors and psychiatrists as well as educating the general public in an instant, I would, but I need help spreading this message. I am just one person with a blog. You can help! Please share this essential post to help others! A personal note, I am currently stable with my paranoid schizophrenia on Navane chemical name thiothixene at a very low 10 milligram dose, with a beautiful girlfriend, a good writing career of many books behind me, I am the first in the world to use a Vagus Nerve Stimulator for severe Multiple Chemical Sensitivities, and I am currently looking for gigs as a Spanish to English and English to Spanish Translation and Statistician, my profile is on Upwork.

However, my main goal in life is to help others. So thanks for reading, and please let me know what you think in a comment, and please feel free to link to my blog or this article in particular, if you think it was helpful!

Well, that’s a lot to chew on. Thank you Mr. Art Levine for writing Mental Health Inc. It should be required reading EVERYWHERE where medicine and nursing, psychology and psychiatry are studied- also by the general public so they are aware of what is going on in the world. I wish I could give this book 10 stars, but 5 was the limit. Well done!

Finally, I should say I am looking for a co-author for book #66 a follow up to A Schizophrenic Will, tentatively titled “William Jiang and the Gammacore” about my personal feat of curing severe MCS with a vagus nerve stimulator- a world first and newsworthy! Please contact me if you are a big author and would like to bring a positive story to life on the printed page that has the makings of a blockbuster!

 

See Author William Jiang, MLS quoted in the
NEW YORK TIMES

William Jiang, MLS is currently the Author of 63 books, including the bestselling books Guide to Natural Mental Health , 3rd ed and his critically-acclaimed autobiography A Schizophrenic Will: A Story of Madness, A Story of Hope. You can see a selection of his books about mental and physical health nicely laid out on his blog at http://www.mentalhealthbooks.net

 

Is Seroquel Safe?

I feel Seroquel works great for many people. It is a blockbuster billion-dollar drug. However, I wrote the following article “Is Seroquel Safe” in 2002 based on my own horrific experience with the drug, and it got buried by AstraZeneca on the web using Search Engine Optimization techniques after about 20,000 people had seen it and I got 25 responses to my story.I barely survived this drug, and although the side-effect of suicide is infrequent, it is very dangerous and different from treatment-as- usual when talking about the treatment of schizophrenia.

Is Seroquel Safe?

By William Jiang, MLS

A little over a year ago I was on AstraZeneca’s Seroquel with suicidal and homicidal thoughts. How did I get there? At the time, I thought it was me. Now I’m thinking it might have been me on the Seroquel. I was on the Seroquel for almost exactly a year at the time of the beginning of the suicidal/homicidal thoughts. For most of the year I was doing fine because I was losing a lot of weight (about 60 lbs in the course of a year) and getting my self-esteem back. That was thanks to the Seroquel, no doubt about it. But, in the course of a few weeks it all went very wrong.

It’s not just me. I personally know of two other people who were taking Seroquel that either attempted suicide or succeeded in committing the act of suicide. There aren’t that many people out there that take Seroquel. So, I wondered if there are any other people out there who have had a bad experience with the Seroquel. I checked the World Wide Web using Google (google.com) with the keywords: Seroquel and suicide. I came up with pages that maintained that Seroquel actually has the opposite effect that I was postulating. The Web seemed to maintain that because of the favorable side-effects profile of Seroquel it led to reduced rates of suicide among schizophrenics. Not one of the pages mentioned a possible link between Seroquel and increased risk of suicide.

Because of my experience with the suicidal and homicidal thoughts my search did not simply end there. Where else could I find information on individual consumer perspectives? Of course! The Usenet. And how to find this information? Well, I went to deja.com (who are in the process of being taken over by google.com, go figure) The keywords I typed in were exactly the same: Seroquel and suicide. What did I get this time? There were many people grappling with suicidal thoughts that were taking Seroquel; however, the third hit I got was a person that was on Seroquel in alt.suicide.methods that laid out in graphic detail exactly how he was going to commit suicide. I could remember when I was on the Seroquel this was a possible senario for me, so I really empathized with the guy because I know what he was going through. I hope he wised up and got on a drug that would help him calm down.

Luckily, for me I had a friend tell me hthat Seroquel is a dangerous drug. This really stuck in my mind, so when I was overcome with feelings of anger and rage and was homicidal/suicidal I knew to blame my Seroquel. This is probably the only reason I am alive right now. I asked my doctors to switch me back to Zyprexa immediately when I had the homicidal/suicidal thoughts because I knew that although it makes one like a zombie it would control my anger.

I was on Seroquel for almost exactly one year. What enrages me is that I have never seen a long-term study on the effacy of the Seroquel. Usually the studies are for about 4 months to 6 months. Sure it might work in the short term, but what about the long term? I thought Seroquel was a really good drug for the most of the time I was on it; however, it would have been good if my psychiatrist could have seen this coming. It would have been another safety net. So, I guess my plea to the FDA is for them to conduct a long term study on the effacy of Seroquel before somebody else has to write a survival story.

 My guesstimate is that the risk of suicide is about 20x greater in those who take Seroquel than Treatmeat As Usual (TAS). This guesstimate is based on the fact that after 20 years the incidence of suicide in hte general poplulation of people with schizophrenia is 10%. Seroquel was tested for six weeks, and suicide is listed as an “infrequent” side effect, meaning it happens to between 1 in 1000 to 1 in 100 people (*). So if you have close to a 1% suicide rate for 6 week, and there are 54 weeks in a year. You could have almost a 9% rate of suicide. The normal rate of suicide is 1% ever two years.And, long term studies on Seroquel are lacking. This means Seroquel could increase the incidence of sucide almost 20 times compared to TAS.

Some emails I received that corroborate my experience. These are just the ones who thought to look and reach out. I’m sure there were many more who are not represented. There was one young woman who was struggling with suicide who I will never forget. She private messaged me on Yahoo! Chat, saying she was going to commit suicide after talking to me, and she ascribed her suicdal thoughts to Seroquel. I reached out frantically to help her. That anonymous suffering soul never got back to me.It was a sad day for me.

 

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glad I found your site.

From AK.

Sun, Dec 29, 2002 3:39 PM EST

Add this to the list of bad experiences on seroquel:

I’ve been on seroquel for about a month.. and have had quite a change in temperment. I’m much more aggressive and I’ve had ‘episodes’ where I’ve had many homocidal and sucidal  thoughts. I’ve beaten things up and cursed at people for the subtlestc things.

Hearing your story was a relief and putting it online was a great idea. At least I won’t feel like I’m the only one accusing the drug.

thanks.

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RE:Article….Interesting……..

From DB

Mon, Mar 10, 2003 7:47 PM EST

I came across your paper on seroquel and it was the first real information I

have yet to come across that I can relate to. I have a lot of questions for

you? I hope that you don;t find this some what odd.

I have been on Seroquel for about 6 months ( 100 mg) and I go from feeling

like it is a gift from god, to thinking hat it is poisoniong me, as if my

body is toxic. I am calm for like weeks at a time and focused then my anger

and frustrations come back and i have anger and rage problems – always

gettigninto fight on the basketbakk court – when i loseit i really lose it

more than ever before, i think it could be the seroquel never knew of that

type of unnessesary rage. my mind is All over the place. IN addition I

take 200 mg Zoloft and 4 1mg Zanaz a day.

I am an intese kind of guy I guy- my fiance hates the pills wants me to stop

all of them .

To the average person this might sound like quite a regimine. However I

function and work in the executive recruiting business high intesity long

hours…..bad stress very bad. Work actually feels like it is killing me.

So what advise would you give a character such as myself.

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Thanks!!

From CR

Thu, Mar 13, 2003 9:51 PM EST

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Hi Will,

 

Thanks for your quick response and advise.  I don’t think the Ablify is avail in Canada yet, but still looking into that and the other med.  I had contacted the Psychiatric Patient Advocacy Office for assistance, they are supposed to ensure that a patients rights are respected and needs are met, I had left a message with his latest Psychiatrist this morning, typically it takes 3-4 calls and a week before you can actually talk to them, I got a call from his shrink this afternoon so I guess I’ve got their attention.  She sounds okay so far, she has taken him off the Seroquel for now, he’s so drugged from all the crap they gave him when they picked him up and they dope them up before transporting them anywhere, she wants to get as much of it out of his system as possible before assessing him and making any decisions.  I guess I can respect that.  I live in Alberta and have been working on moving George and Mom out here where I’m more able to help, I was hoping to get George more stable before moving him but if the Dr.’s won’t take him off Seroquel in Ontario I’m going to bring him to Alberta and try to find better help for him.  

 

Feel free to pass on any of my info to anyone it may help, and anyone willing to share with me would be welcome.

 

Thanks again!!

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I read your article…

From Alexx

Fri, Jun 20, 2003 1:57 PM EDT

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Hi William,

My name is Alexx. My youngest sister has been diagnosed schizophrenic about almost 1 year ago. For the past 4-5 years, she’s been to several different doctors to find out why, all of a sudden, she “changed”. A doctor finally diagnosed her schizophrenic. I just accompanied her to her psychiatrist appt. on Wednesday and her doctor INCREASED her dosage of Seroquel up to maximum 800 mg. per day. I decided to investigate the drug and that’s how I discovered your article. Now…I’m really concerned, because my sister had a “wierd” experience recently. She said she was having suicidal thoughts and actually called the police! She has breifly mentioned suicide before, but this time she actually called the police and they came to our house! this concersn me because I don’t think she’s been on Seroquel for a year, yet, but…..almost and this worries me. Any suggestions.

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Seroquel

From MC

Fri, Aug 8, 2003 1:05 PM EDT

Dear William, I was interested in your comments about Seroquel. I curse the stuff, as I have seen it transform my daughter into a caricature of a human being. I know of several other people who have had a bad result e.g. formerly docile girls have become highly hostile and aggressive. Although I told the psychiatrist the drug was having a bad effect on my daughter, he persisted in applying it with horrifying rresults e.g. she became delirious, psychotic, had a personality change and started talking to imaginary people with constant mutterings. After two years of this under the public psychiatric hospital I deccided to take her away from that institution. I wish now that I had been much stronger and insisted, with the threat of legal action, that she be taken off this drug. I think that she is now suffering from tardive dementia, which I think may be irreversible. You probably know of Dr Peter Breggin, the crusader against the indiscriminate use of neuroleptics ( www.breggin.com). Everything he has said has come to pass. Sincerely, Mary Connor

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Article on Seroquel

From J

Fri, Apr 9, 2004 3:50 PM EDT

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Hi,

I came across an article on seroquel through a google search, and this e-mail address was attached. If you are the writer of this article or know anything about it, I would like to speak to you. I know someone who has been on seroquel for only 4 days and since then they have been extremely suicidal. Anyway, I’d appreciate it if you can get back to me to let me know if I do indeed have the correct e-mail address. Thanks.

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From JG

Wed, Oct 20, 2004 5:10 PM EDT

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William,

I read your story and wanted you to know my twin brother committed suicide on July 10th of this year. He too was taking seroquel. He had been taking the drug since December of 03 from what we know. We are in the process of getting my brother’s medical records to find out more.

I am convinced that my brother would have not killed himself had he not been taking seroquel.

I just wanted you to know that he too was a victim of this horrible drug.

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Seroquel

From mw

Thu, Oct 21, 2004 11:27 PM EDT

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Mr. Jiang,

I sent you an email through your web site, but often have trouble sending emails this way, so if this is a duplicate, I apologize.

I am writing because I found your article on the internet “Is Seoquel Safe?”  My son, Dan, took his life May 8, 2004 while in a double blind drug study through the University of Minnesota, a study I had been trying to get him out of since last November, when he entered it.

I called his doctor continually, his caseworker, the woman who was the coordinator of the study, telling all of them he was not only doing no better, but he was deteriorating.  I wrote to the Head of Psychiatry at the University, who finally answered me after my third letter.  I had told them all that I saw a rage in my son that could not be allowed to come boiling out.  I could go on for pages and pages, but essentially they did not care.  They will be held accountable.

I would like to hear from you regarding how you felt on Seroquel.  It really hit me when I saw that you used the word “rage” as that is exactly how I described what I saw in my son.  Incidentally, the Head of Psychiatry at the University in his letter asked me how they should deal with the rage!  I wasn’t sure who was the doctor at that point.  

You are so right when you say that there has never been a long term study of Seroquel.  Everything we could find on the internet talks only about 8 or 12 week studies.  I’ve even found sites that state the safety of Seroquel has not been determined for long term studies.  Also, your weight loss was interesting, as my son lost a lot of weight, and he could not afford to.  He was 6’2″ and weighed 157 when he died.

Please give me your feelings on what Seroquel did to you, and if you know others who had similar experiences, I would like to know.  

Are you aware that a pharmaceutical company does not have to report negative findings in a drug study to the FDA?  I could simply not believe it!  What is the purpose of the studies?

I look forward to hearing from you, and appreciate any information you can give me.

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Is seroquel safe?

From RF

Tue, May 3, 2005 2:26 AM EDT

I have just done a search “homicidal thoughts”. To be honest, they are more than just thoughts to me. I have now on three occasions came so close to murdering someone that I felt my only option was suicide. I seriously need help and although I have pled with numerous doctors and psychiatrists for counseling I have not gotten any help and can no longer afford private psycho analysis. The confusing thing is that although I am really not an angry or violent person. Desperate? Yes…In pain and agony of course! But seriously homicidal? no. That is of course until…yes….I started taking seroquel.

Every anti depressant I have taken makes me violent and angry and I can not take birth control as well so maybe there is a possible connection there. When under stress my mind races, I get serious shakes, headaches, I throw up everything I eat, fevers and delusions. I thought seroquel was the only drug that seemed to help at all…at least it slowed my mind down. Of course, that was short term and you know what’s going on now. I’ve been on it for two years.

The only thing that I do know is that no one knows how it works!? Even the drug information in the library books says that there is no understanding of how it works, it just seems to work? Well……maybe it doesn’t work and I think your right. Anyway, the really scary thing is I am no longer shocked when I hear about these people in the news who just apparantly snap out of no where. Now I just seem to feel sorry for them, understanding how they feel.

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From ET

Sat, Dec 31, 2005 7:58 PM EST

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Hello,

I too googled Seroquel and suicide and came up with similar results as yours.  I lost my husband last month to suicide and he had been on Seroquel for 5 years.  Any thoughts?

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From pm

Thu, Feb 16, 2006 9:55 PM EST

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Thank you for you prompt reply and for the FDA information. I will definately contact them. I wish that media coverage would take this and all the suicide stories and make everyone aware of this horrific side effect. I wish you well in all that you do. Maybe one day we can make a difference. I know just being able to e-mail you was a help to me. Thank you so much.

Pam

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From: William Jiang

Hi Pam,

You can see the prescribing info on Seroquel here: http://www.seroquel.com/prof_asp/pi/One of the listed side effects of this drug is suicide. Ridiculous but true. If you’d like to report this drug to the FDA (which I suggest you do), go to: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/medwatch/I just wish we could get Media coverage of this rare side effect. About 1 in 1000 people who come to my Seroquel story website tell me a similar story to yours. It seems that it is generally a well-tolerated and efficacious drug. That being said, people should know about this rare side effect.

Will

pm wrote:

I was searching the internet via google, as well, to find information on seroquel and suicide. My sweet son, not by any means suicidal, hung himself in our garage two weeks ago. He was a senior in high school and had just turned 18. He was seeing a psychiatrist for about two months because he had some anxiety issues. He was graduating early and going to start college. He wanted some help so that he could sleep at night and not worry about things quite so much. The Dr. put him on seroquel. He was on it for a month. When it was time to get a refill, the Dr. wanted to see him before she would refill the prescription. My son ended up sick the day of the appointment and I had to go out of town the next day. I called the Dr. to let her know that I would be gone for a week and ask her to fill a weeks worth of his meds and then we would be in to see her the day after I got back in town. She refused to fill the script and let him go “cold turkey” off of the pills. When I got back in town she could not see us for another week. Still would not fill the script. Two days later my son was dead.

I can tell you right now that my son was not suicidal at all. There is NO WAY he would have done anything like this. There was no warning, no signs, nothing!! I want more information on the link between this drug and suicide. My other kids are having a hard time, like myself, with his death. My 15 year old actually went to see a Psychiatrist because she has been so depressed since his death. They want to start her on the SAME DRUG!!! I said NO WAY!!

I appreciated your honesty and sincerity in your posting. I am sorry for the year you suffered like you did.

If you have any sites you think may answer some of my questions, I would love the information. Thanks and God Bless.

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seroquel and suicide

From LL

Mon, Mar 26, 2007 3:48 PM EDT

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My dad was prescribed seroqual after he felt like his antidepressent was not doing enough. He commited sucide after about 10 days on the medication. I read a article that you wrote and wanted to know more about what you have discovered.

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Seroquel safe?

From RB

Mon, Apr 9, 2007 9:52 PM

I was just checking up on Seroquel and found your articles. My 27 year old son took his life after taking Seroquel (40 tablets ranging from 25mg to 100 mg). He received it with a typed note from his psychiatrist (who spoke with him offiically once due to a recommendation from his psychologist that he ‘get something’ for his mood). The note said take 25mg increase daily till tolerate or mood stablilizes. His main issue was he was having anxiety about his future and probably his sensitive past being dug up in the therapist office, and his trying to adapt to life after graduating from 6 years of University of Florida/College life.. He got a great paying job right out of school, he worked till he saved enough money to get himself a place after living with us for 9 months—he was driving 145 miles a day to and from work, so he was not irresponsible or mania but excited he was going to start a new life after living in Florida. We never saw any signs of mania and if he

was dealing with any depression it was probably in the form of anger and a frustration type of mood .This drug was given to him the day before he was making a major life change moving from Florida to Calif. He took his life two weeks after being in Calif.

AstraZeneca states that the patient is to have a blood test before recieving Seroquel, (from my research this should rule out any physical imbalances such as diabetes, hypo/hyperglycemia, thyroid, food allergies,candida infection, insulin resistance or some type of metabolic chaos.)

Then the patient is to be monitored (there was not one phone call to my son and of course my son turned into a zombie, as quoted from people I interviewed, so no reaching out coould be done on his part —he probably didn’t know how to handle what was happening to his mind– not knowing the dangerous affects from Seroquel that were causing metabolic chaos).

Next someone close to him was to be informed of the drug he was taking. No one knew he was taking Seroquel except the prescribing doctor.

There is no way he would have opt out so quickly. I have done tremenous amount of research and if serotonin is diminished, as Seroquel would do in a mania, but not good if in a depressive state. If a person cannot not function what does he feel about his self worth or life in general?

Understanding the metabolic process is crucial before handing out these ‘brain surgery quick fix pills.” Questions need to be asked, blood test taken especially for blood sugar problems. It can be a very simple answer such as stress to sleep issues to eating patterns, various addictions,etc.. Anything constantly challenging the body/mind is going to affect the metabolic process. But it can be corrected naturally with the right information available. I have researched on this. I wrote to both doctors but the HEP Law will not allow response. I took it to the state and they investigated but found no probable cause although they state that this does mean it wasn’t a contributor, just that the evidence wasn’t enough.

How it works:

Seroquel actually inhibits the cell from producing energy in supposedly mania bipolar I. If mistakenly given for instance for a case of unipolar, or depression, then it would be the floor going out—as my son stated in his final good-bye letter, “I do not have any will (energy) to fight this depression, it has won over me.”. No energy no hope. Question: on a daily basis how can a drug like this be controlled? Monitor it daily??? AstraZeneca’ motto is ‘don’t go it alone.’

Are the drug companies being abusive with their hype from their salesmen to the doctors, or are doctors to busy, or not really informed or? Everyone is different how can one pill cover all types of metabolic processes –the mind/body/spirit are not separate, what we do to one part we do to the whole. Where do we start?

Life is only beautiful when we feel good for then we are in some kind of balance or near our true nature. Our feelings indicate if we are in alignment with what is right for us or not but what to do if not is the big question.

Sincerely, RB, SB’s Mom

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Your blog on Seroquel and Suicide

From HA

Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:31 PM EST

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Hello

You are not alone. I too was suicidal very angry extremely bitter and

irritable after I was on Seroquel for over six months. I had demons if you can

believe it. It also caused painful side effects such as right upper quadrant

pain, pain in my bones and joints, blurry vision, the feeling of something

crawling on me (a little bug.. like a tic) urinating frequently. It also effected

my liver…a cat scan revealed an enlarged liver .. extreme constipation (I

went to the emergency room because it had been 15 days and I hadn’t had a b.m.)

It took one year for me to put it all together. The side effects krept up on

  1. I put it all down on paper and after seeing seven doctors because I

thought that I was going to die. I had so many tests.. My pain medication was

increased due to the abdominal pain.

I missed numerous amount of days of work ( I am a teacher) from this

poisonous drug.

The worse thing of all… was I tried to committ suicide last September. I

was taking Klonipon for sleep. I knew if I took enough it could put me in a

coma (I wanted to sleep and never wake up) and my blood pressure bottomed out

and they had to revive me.

I pleaded with my primary care physician to put me on something else and to

take me off of it and she said no. She said I needed to go to the doctor who

prescribed it to me, my Psychiatrist. I did call her and she never returned my

phone calls. I was too depressed to see her and she only saw patients on

Wednesday and Thursdays and was booked up for a month.

I finally saw my Psych. and told her I wanted off the S.

It has been two weeks and I have my life back. I told my Dr. I wanted to go

on Prozac because I was depressed.

I have Bi-Polar Disorder and Fibromylagia. Both doctors said my side effects

were from my Fibromylagia. I knew they were wrong. I KNEW it was the S.

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Your Post

From SM

Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:01 PM EDT

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Hi Bill,

Thank you for your post on Seoguel in 2002. My husband and I just had a

close friend (47 years old) commit suicide from being on Seroquel this

past Sunday. You wonder how many people have to die for the FDA to start

regulating this drug more closely. It’s so sad.

Thank you,

SM

 

  • Nearly one-third of those diagnosed with schizophrenia will attempt suicide. About 10 percent of those with the diagnosis will commit suicide within 20 years of the beginning of the disorder.(http://psychcentral.com/disorders/schizophrenia/)

Seroquel (Quetiapine Fumarate) Drug Information: Indications …

www.rxlist.com/…/mobileart-rx.asp?…ser...

The efficacy of SEROQUEL in schizophrenia was established in three 6-week trials

approximately 20x higher risk of homicidal/ suicidal thoughts due to Seroquel compared to treatment as usual.

 

See Author William Jiang, MLS quoted in the
NEW YORK TIMES

 

William Jiang, MLS is currently the Author of 63 books, including the bestselling books Guide to Natural Mental Health , 3rd ed and his critically-acclaimed autobiography A Schizophrenic Will: A Story of Madness, A Story of Hope. You can see a selection of his books about mental and physical health nicely laid out on his blog at http://www.mentalhealthbooks.net

Looking for co-author for book #66 “William Jiang and the Gammacore”

I am looking for a established author to partner with me on my 66th book tentatively titled William Jiang and the Gammacore. It will be a biography detailing how I was the first medical researcher that effectively used VNS brain stimulation to treat severe, life-threatening Multiple Chemical Sensitivites in 2016. Partnering with a good writer will hopefully bring more life and attention to the project and free me up to work on book #67, my 5th Edition of The Medical Libarian’s Guide to Natural Mental Health. I want fun and laughter from this collaboration, I’m a pretty funny and social guy. Ideally, my co-author will write with the controlled passion of a poet- an epic, storytelling poet. I feel that a write that can “produce” we should have a great first draft within a month.

I have sold 8,500+ books as of February 2018 and I feel that this will a book that will go stellar. Why? MCS is not yet an illness recognized by the American Medical Association, yet little old me not only understood the neurobiology deeply enough to effectively treat it amazingly well, but also this will be a extremely visceral book that is almost certainly destined for the silver screen. God willing, this will my first book that will sell 1+ million copies.

I am currently looking for a big author who already well-connected with whom I enjoy working. I have 4,000 words I am looking to lead the book with, you can see a sneak peek here on Google Drive to get a flavor of what I am up to. I am envisioning a short but powerful book of about 50,000- 60,000 words that will involve me telling my co-author my stories, possibly over Skype, while answering questions along the way.

Not only does this book include the pretty amazing discovery of how I was the first in the world to treat MCS, but also, I have two beautiful and amazing romantic love interests in the tale. I survived grave danger from being under the care of a talented but misguided psychiatrist who put my very soul in danger from homicidal and suicidal rage due to the multi-billion dollar drug he has blind faith and will not take me off of. I eventually had to risk my life to go against medical advice to leave his care, floating between psychiatrists when I do believe in the power of psychiatry well-practiced. It was a very ironic and potentially deadly situation.  I also have a warning about the science behind of many of the newer atypical antipsychotics that expounds on their very psychopharmacology as a possible largely unrecognized source of danger for millions who take them. Finally, I want to move to Medellin, Colombia or Spain due to my love of the language and culture of the Spanish-speaking ladies.

In terms of royalties for this book, they will be divided down the middle 50-50. Sounds like a good project? I invite you to contact me, Mr or Ms Wordsmith! Hasta luego!

 

See Author William Jiang, MLS quoted in the
NEW YORK TIMES

 

William Jiang, MLS is currently the Author of 63 books, including the bestselling books Guide to Natural Mental Health , 3rd ed and his critically-acclaimed autobiography A Schizophrenic Will: A Story of Madness, A Story of Hope. You can see a selection of his books about mental and physical health nicely laid out on his blog at http://www.mentalhealthbooks.net